Monday, April 26, 2010

Thinking big

Further to the comments from the previous post. I think what I was trying to say somewhere in there (I can thank my chosen profession for a crap short term memory I think) is something along the lines of the following;

When we chose to build a layout we tend to pick an area that we would like to model based on the types of train running, the location or area itself, or because of a family attachment to the area (or a mix of all 3). Therefor to model that particular area we then choose scenes that indicate where it is in the country (west coast bush, rolling hills, plains etc). The problem for me then becomes that by altering other things to do with the area it then becomes not quite correct as a model. Maybe its a problem that I have, or maybe I just get tired of smart arsed comments from other people which really hose me off for some odd reason (odd because I'm normally thicker skinned than that).

Taking one of the examples from yesterday. I really like the Greymouth waterfront, but I don't like how a layout would turn out with the main station. then there's the Cobden bridge which means that you could model the railway up to Rapahoe/Rewanui (which has pitfalls of its own being such a famous site). (Actually, I think I might have just cracked a way of doing this, so I'll have a bit of a rethink on the whole thing)

Likewise the Southland branchlines. I like the triangular layout of the Invercargil/Gorre/Lumsden arrangement, with short branchlines off every leg, plus the line up to Kingston. however to model something like this would be a massive undertaking and require a large area.

Another Area I had considered was the Wellington suburban area. if modelled in 1954/55 you could have the electrics with the last vestige of steam still running. at that time every second station had a yard, then there would be the added attraction of the run up to summit which would mean that you would then have to model Cross Creek as well. throw in the J'ville line and of course Paikakariki (which is a great end station from either direction).

This is starting to think quite big isn't it....

6 comments:

sxytrain said...

Thank goodness you're modeling in nz120. At least you'll have a chance of getting one or two of those scenes realistically modelled. Anyone offer MD a huge shed for the rest of his layout!

ben scaro said...

I've thought in some ways it's better to go for a 'might have been' scenario that is more plausible than just compressing a number of actual locations.

For example, the two main areas of narrow gauge in South Australia both have things I like, but it is not prototypical to run many things together. They were also geographically isolated from each other. The isolated Peterborough narrow gauge branch lines had clapped out Sulzers full of character, a wide selection of four wheelers, some nice old stations and a bit of excursion passenger traffic headed mainly by modern Western Australian steam locos brought in the early 70s. An anachronism, these lines survived till 1988 as freight lines and excursion traffic petered out in 2001.

The 'West Coast' of SA had a fleet of grain hoppers converted from all sorts of other wagons and a much more modern style of operation, all bogie wagons , block unit operation, mainly with GM and Alco units. It was a much more prosperous system and survives today. But it has almost nothing by way of substantial stations, very little variety of traffic or shunting, and no passenger operation for at least 40 years. There' only been about two tours in all that time.

By envisioning a scenario where the Peterborough lines stayed open past 1988, you can update operations with a smaller selection of the modern wagons used on the West Coast, while retaining the interesting motive power and 'marginal' feel of the Peterborough system.

You can also borrow certain innovations used on the broad and standard gauge systems (also run by Australian National Railways)without doing too much violence to the plausibility of the concept. Even locos and wagons were occasionally jacked up and put on narrow gauge bogies, as needed.

For example, bulk containers used in trials to carry grain on the broad gauge were redundant after the trials did not succeed. One or two could be used to carry barytes on the narrow gauge line down to Peterborough, for transfer to standard gauge wagons.

Usefully, the number of folk who know what ran where on the two systems is probably no more than 20, so no one is ever likely to challenge anything.

woodsworks said...

You have hit the nail on the head, old fruit.... One can build a nice model of a west coast coal mine, and a nice model of a bridge over a braided east coast river, but put the two side by side and neither look right anymore. But Sxy has a good point - at least in NZ120 we might be able to get enough running distance between such disparate scenes to make it all look convincing.

muir said...

I remember when the main trunk used to go up through the Akatarawas... Where the wairarapa line went straight at the Upper Hutt end branched off to go through cruikshanks tunnel, and the main wen left and crossed at Brown Owl, stopping at Karapoti, (with the mill branch heading left over the Akatarawa river and following the course of the Karapoti Stream to the mill site), continuing up through the windies to narrows, piercing the ridge, and following the confluence down through reikorangi onwards to Waikanae, where the Paekak branch joined...
Just make it up as you go along...
:)

Andrew Hamblyn said...

The all inspiring PikiPiki Tramway was very much set in New Zealand "somewhere on the West Coast" with NZR-esque HO narrow gauge models, and became popular with many a Kiwi modeller.

The same mindset could be applied to any model railway anywhere, but also just as equally in NZ120 "somewhere in Otago".

Modellers license prevails here and I think too many local modellers are scared to create their own version of events, petrified at the thought they will be barraged by some all knowing rivet counter for not following the prototype, let alone try and mix the "correct" shade of Pullman Green...

I am a big fan of American shortlines and the proto-freelance imaginary shortline thing really appeals....

Food for thought.
Drew

sxytrain said...

Being born in Taumarunui, I had to build a (10 metre) display in S scale, which involved a certain amount of modellers license to fit all the necessary details in. Its still not complete, but I get the satisfaction of having built it, and also the recognition that people give the display at a show. That means my vision is similar to what others see. What I'm saying here is ' if you like something, model it'. He who gets the greatest satisfaction, is yourself. So go for your model ideas and have fun and don't be concerned what someone else may think or comment on. Everyone will model the exact same thing in a different way, so don't let that stop or hinder what you guys like to do in the first place. Just build it!